Talk:Exhibits/debate/points/Woozle/2016/05/19/095027 - Revision history

Woozle at 22:43, 4 June 2017

2017-06-04T22:43:50Z

Woozle: /* Follow-up */ aux posts

2016-06-09T00:36:39Z

Follow-up: aux posts

Woozle: round 2

2016-06-09T00:34:09Z

round 2

Woozle: two more

2016-05-19T18:17:57Z

two more

Woozle: four more

2016-05-19T18:14:34Z

four more

Woozle: initial list of claims

2016-05-19T18:13:27Z

initial list of claims

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Claims enumerated in [https://plus.google.com/u/0/102282887764745350285/posts/cWwYfXQhQ3D this discussion]:

* '''M1.''' There was a change of rules which was voted on before the announced time, when the Hillary delegates were present but the Bernie delegates were not.
* '''M2.''' In the process of that rule change, Lange called for a voice vote, heard the "Yea"s, and then passed the motion without asking for "Nay"s.
* '''M3.''' the NV committee was co-chaired by Clinton and Sanders supporters
* '''M4.''' the NV convention was equally staffed by Clinton and Sanders supporters
* '''M5.''' some of the violence was incited by a member of the Sanders Campaign
* '''M6.''' Clinton had no motive for messing with the convention, since she was already winning.
* '''M7.''' Others may have had such a motive, however.
* '''M8.''' Sanders supporters were abusive towards Barbara Boxer.
* '''M9.''' The only prominent speaker, Barbara Boxer, is a Clinton proxy.
* '''M10.''' Protests from the Sanders camp were ignored/overruled.

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 * [https://plus.google.com/u/0/102282887764745350285/posts/aXfNenL7uCe 2016-05-19] Round 2
 * [https://plus.google.com/u/0/102282887764745350285/posts/NUdFtqqFLzD 2016-05-24] Auxiliary: was there violence?
-* [https://plus.google.com/u/0/102282887764745350285/posts/dWRXMJeyM7m 2016-05-25] Auxiliary: was Sander's response adequate?
+* [https://plus.google.com/u/0/102282887764745350285/posts/dWRXMJeyM7m 2016-05-25] Auxiliary: was Sanders's response adequate?

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 * '''M16.''' No credible reports of violence at the convention have yet been identified.
 ==Follow-up==
-* [https://plus.google.com/u/0/102282887764745350285/posts/aXfNenL7uCe 2016-05-19] (Round 2)
+* [https://plus.google.com/u/0/102282887764745350285/posts/aXfNenL7uCe 2016-05-19] Round 2

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 Claims enumerated in [https://plus.google.com/u/0/102282887764745350285/posts/cWwYfXQhQ3D this discussion]:
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 * '''M15.''' There was violence at the convention.
 * '''M16.''' No credible reports of violence at the convention have yet been identified.

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	* '''M13.''' (Vox) There is no way these events could have affected the outcome of the main Democratic primary.		* '''M13.''' (Vox) There is no way these events could have affected the outcome of the main Democratic primary.
	* '''M14.''' (Vox) M13 is indisputable even by Bernie's supporters. ("Not even Sanders's most hardcore loyalists would claim that what happened on Saturday will sway the outcome of the Democratic primary.")		* '''M14.''' (Vox) M13 is indisputable even by Bernie's supporters. ("Not even Sanders's most hardcore loyalists would claim that what happened on Saturday will sway the outcome of the Democratic primary.")
		+	* '''M15.''' There was violence at the convention.
		+	* '''M16.''' No credible reports of violence at the convention have yet been identified.

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	* '''M9.''' The only prominent speaker, Barbara Boxer, is a Clinton proxy.		* '''M9.''' The only prominent speaker, Barbara Boxer, is a Clinton proxy.
	* '''M10.''' Protests from the Sanders camp were ignored/overruled.		* '''M10.''' Protests from the Sanders camp were ignored/overruled.
		+	* '''M11.''' (Vox) Nevada state officials disqualified 56 Sanders-supporting delegates who had done the paperwork wrong or hadn't registered as Democrats in time.
		+	* '''M12.''' (from memory of other sources) Some of those delegates had proof that they were in fact qualified, but they were not allowed the opportunity to present that proof.
		+	* '''M13.''' (Vox) There is no way these events could have affected the outcome of the main Democratic primary.
		+	* '''M14.''' (Vox) M13 is indisputable even by Bernie's supporters. ("Not even Sanders's most hardcore loyalists would claim that what happened on Saturday will sway the outcome of the Democratic primary.")