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Claims enumerated in [https://plus.google.com/u/0/102282887764745350285/posts/cWwYfXQhQ3D this discussion]: | Claims enumerated in [https://plus.google.com/u/0/102282887764745350285/posts/cWwYfXQhQ3D this discussion]: | ||
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* '''M15.''' There was violence at the convention. | * '''M15.''' There was violence at the convention. | ||
* '''M16.''' No credible reports of violence at the convention have yet been identified. | * '''M16.''' No credible reports of violence at the convention have yet been identified. | ||
| + | ==Follow-up== | ||
| + | * [https://plus.google.com/u/0/102282887764745350285/posts/aXfNenL7uCe 2016-05-19] Round 2 | ||
| + | * [https://plus.google.com/u/0/102282887764745350285/posts/NUdFtqqFLzD 2016-05-24] Auxiliary: was there violence? | ||
| + | * [https://plus.google.com/u/0/102282887764745350285/posts/dWRXMJeyM7m 2016-05-25] Auxiliary: was Sanders's response adequate? | ||
Latest revision as of 22:43, 4 June 2017
Original Post
Claims enumerated in this discussion:
- M1. There was a change of rules which was voted on before the announced time, when the Hillary delegates were present but the Bernie delegates were not.
- M2. In the process of that rule change, Lange called for a voice vote, heard the "Yea"s, and then passed the motion without asking for "Nay"s.
- M3. the NV committee was co-chaired by Clinton and Sanders supporters
- M4. the NV convention was equally staffed by Clinton and Sanders supporters
- M5. some of the violence was incited by a member of the Sanders Campaign
- M6. Clinton had no motive for messing with the convention, since she was already winning.
- M7. Others may have had such a motive, however.
- M8. Sanders supporters were abusive towards Barbara Boxer.
- M9. The only prominent speaker, Barbara Boxer, is a Clinton proxy.
- M10. Protests from the Sanders camp were ignored/overruled.
- M11. (Vox) Nevada state officials disqualified 56 Sanders-supporting delegates who had done the paperwork wrong or hadn't registered as Democrats in time.
- M12. (from memory of other sources) Some of those delegates had proof that they were in fact qualified, but they were not allowed the opportunity to present that proof.
- M13. (Vox) There is no way these events could have affected the outcome of the main Democratic primary.
- M14. (Vox) M13 is indisputable even by Bernie's supporters. ("Not even Sanders's most hardcore loyalists would claim that what happened on Saturday will sway the outcome of the Democratic primary.")
- M15. There was violence at the convention.
- M16. No credible reports of violence at the convention have yet been identified.
Follow-up
- 2016-05-19 Round 2
- 2016-05-24 Auxiliary: was there violence?
- 2016-05-25 Auxiliary: was Sanders's response adequate?